I think the software is great but the players need to have some "value" put on their "play money". Obviously not monetary value but maybe some form of inconvenience or withdrawal of privilege.

An example Chris Ferguson played online poker in the early 90s with play money. In order to prevent the players from being constant "all in" fools with No Limit Texas Holdem the players had to build their bank roll by playing Limit Texas Holdem. If they lost their bank roll playing No Limit they had to start again playing Limit Texas Holdem before being privileged to play "No Limit"

Maybe we could put some "real" value on not being an "all in" fool at the table by perhaps freezing out/banning (for a set time limit e.g. five mins) an "All in" player if they go "all in" on x number of occasion, in x time space, in x number of games, against x number of opponents with xx hole cards.

Perhaps the ban could be preventing x username from x IP address for five minutes?



I hope that gives you some help and I hope I have not repeated what someone else has said.

I think the biggest problem this game has is the "all in" people as its really turning allot of other people off (sadly myself included)

p.s. Perhaps a "dunces" hat could be put on their icon after x number of crazy "all ins" A sort of name and shame - I am joking about this one

I THOROUGHLY AGREE WITH THIS !!!

same here ...

but i think there is a simple solution to that:

in the long run theses preflopallinners loose more games than they win.
so just lets calculate the amount of won games trough the amount of played and show this value for each player. so you can kick the bad players before the game starts. or add an additional option to the creation of a game where you can define how high this value has to be to join the game.

even better to find the reasonable players is to respect the second and third place:

reasonableness = (4 x won + 3 x 2nd + 2 x 3rd) / 3 x played

and the games just count if there are at least 6 players at the table
and for sure it will be neccasary to register your nickname, but i think every reasonable player is willing to to that.

what do you people think?

I don't know the exact formula (because i suck at math maybe?) but I do like the way it works on AOL's games.com. Everyone is registered and everyone begins initially with $500.. If you lose it all the house will advance you $100 and if you lose that it will lower that amount to $30 so that over time if you keep losing and betting all in the most you can bet is $30 at a pop. If you win then of course your stack builds up, but you can still bet it all if someone takes you up on it.
I have several user names there because you can use AIM names, facebook or most social networking names, etc., but today I went from starting with $50 in the morning to $20,000 and finally left with around $950 where it stands now.
Some hands become outrageously good while there are utter dead periods. I don't mind losing $10,000 to a great hand, but can't stand losing to garbage just to try to get rid of some idiot who wants to play ALL IN with garbage..
What I DON'T like there are all the ads and the CRAPPY avatars they hang on people..uhhhhg!

i understnd this approach with giving limited play-money but the problem is that the preflopallinners will leave pokerth. yes you will say good so, but i think they should not leave because maybe they learn and get better players.

its better if you can just avoid to play with them if you dont want to. there should be a possibility to distinguish the reasonable players from the others. maybe preflopallinners want to join games where they are not allowed because of their bad "reasonabel-value" and try to get a better one. maybe this would be an incentive to get a better player.

Maybe they will have a moment of decency and send me every penny they ever earn too, but I'm not in the hoping someone will learn business..Are you?
Do you really think people who play out of greed will suddenly learn? Heck no.. They're greedy and more than that, lazy. Lazy people aren't going to bother to learn anything because they already know it all. If they think someone will give them a million dollars any time they want it why should they bother to learn? I sure wouldn't.
Hand me a million dollars whenever I want it and I'll just keep coming back for a million dollars the moment it's spent.
That's what they do.. They have a million dollars...bet it all on garbage and so what? All they have to do is click a button and wallah! They have a brand new million dollars instantly!
To make it even worse most of the "All Inners" don't even know this site even exists and even if they do they're sure not going to click on the links where they have to read and learn.
I've mentioned this site many times in chat while playing and the vast majority don't know it even is here at all.
They download from sourceforge or wherever and that's it.. Many are still running on old, outdated programs and won't bother with an upgrade ESPECIALLY if directions are more than a single line or "click here".. If they read click here and.... by the time they get to and... they have completely stopped reading.
So..instead they go all in with a 2-4 and IF by some chance they do win they often spend the rest of the game rubbing it in as if to say, "SEE? I AM the greatest poker player there ever was!"
Ask yourself if you really think someone like that has the reasoning skills of a turnip much less the willingness to learn..
We're talking about the kind of people who if they ever went to ncig.org/ (National Center for Irresponsible Gambling) would think it to all be sound advice when it's really just a parody of stupid people..