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03 Oct 2020 16:42 #47885 by Njet
Njet replied.
One thing I could imagine working is having the normal open-for-everyone ranking games and invitation-only ranking games with both counting the same way. When you consider that

- people don't wanna wait to play forever
- tables need to fill at every point throughout the day
- some players want to play with certain other players for fun
- some players want to play with good players mainly
- there still should be a high proportion of games with good and bad players mixed

all of it would be covered in principle.

If you categorized players and they could only play their own category it could be hard to fill even one table when there are only some dozens logged in. Also one couldn't just choose freely who to play with. With the system above both wouldn't be issues.
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04 Oct 2020 01:36 #47891 by M4N!4C
M4N!4C replied.
Hi,

Ranked games or better I should call them League games should be played with standardized table setups. I stopped playing ranking games in particular because I think the usual 5 s /5 s time Setup takes a negative influence in situations that might need deeper thinking, so you might rush and make a bad decision.

As Njet already pointed out there is a plethora of different player types playing and this might be another problem. A League or Ranking is a competition, playing a casual game with friends isn’t. If both get mixed into the competition you’ll get a watery results. A more competitive approach might even kill the community, why, because there a not that much competitive players.

You also can’t avoid bingo players completely, you’ll met them most likely at the beginning of the season.

Even at a top league more deep into the season you might encounter someone unpleasant but what will you do? Move to another table? No, you’ll have to face him or her and you’ll sit at he same table and play and adapt your game. If you can’t you’ll might lose.

Currently you can choose your opposition at a table, but with a highly segregative system you might struggle to find someone to play against and that will cause you to leave at the end.

From experience as a WeC admin, we tried to pick up a lot of players but couldn’t convince them yet, because they won’t play in a harsher competitive environment. Some tried but left for the same reason.

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04 Oct 2020 09:51 #47892 by malayerba
malayerba replied.
Hi. Well, in the current situation, players also leave or stop playing due to the disappointment of too long, continuous bad streaks or doubtful behavior of the software
I did not want to return to the subject of soft because I already know all the possible answers ... they are paranoias of the player who loses.
But as I see that we mention the viability of the server and the fun of all the players, I have to mention that the current situation is that the important thing is that the new players continue to enter delighted to win with a 2-8 against AA-KK-QQ thing that the soft tries to complete with impossible plays so that the bingo player or the one who does not care wins and rises in the ranking
which in short is what is worth seeing the current result.
Most of those who are in the upper part of the ranking, when the lowest player in the ranking plays everything (because we see it in the statistics) because you do not want anything because 90% of the time the soft leans towards the new to encourage you. That is the reality of how a server and its usual players are maintained. no matter if you play good or bad.
In short ... or the PTH code is changed to be "less fun" as israelac would say, or you can find a formula to suffer less disappointment. because the truth is that you don't want to play

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04 Oct 2020 12:56 - 04 Oct 2020 12:57 #47893 by Njet
Njet replied.

M4N!4C wrote: A League or Ranking is a competition, playing a casual game with friends isn’t. If both get mixed into the competition you’ll get a watery results. A more competitive approach might even kill the community, why, because there a not that much competitive players.

M4N!4C wrote: Currently you can choose your opposition at a table, but with a highly segregative system you might struggle to find someone to play against and that will cause you to leave at the end.

I really think the system with open ranking games and invitiation ranking games could solve all those issues except the one that there's a mix of casual and competitive players in the ranking competition itself. You won't be able to change that without a larger number of players. But that way everyone could at least try to play it the way he wants without negative impact on anything.

malayerba wrote: I did not want to return to the subject of soft because I already know all the possible answers ...

As you keep mentioning this topic it would be useful to give us some hard facts (statistics, numbers) to see what your opinion is based on. According to your words new and bingo players should have big advantages but this doesn't show anywhere.

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04 Oct 2020 19:49 #47894 by M4N!4C
M4N!4C replied.
Hi, the software is open source so every Joe Shmoe can modify it and put up a sever but you can also look out for flaws.

A Second Ranking, before we start, is it feasible from a financial standpoint and/or workforce necessary to create and maintain such one?

You probably forget something important and that is how you can learn learn Poker in general.

I learned it decades ago by playing with friends. Today you can go to the Internet watch TV or read a book. This also brings some hazards that can spoil a new players gameplay style quite badly.
So when do you play 2 8 o? Usually when you’re broke and go all-in, or your opponent is and you call and that is the bit that ends up on the highlight reel on YouTube.
Those videos don’t show the patience and discipline sometimes needed.

Another thing is advertising of bigger poker sites, some show quite badly played hands. Even if it is quite far fetched, it can influence new players.

We probably need some educational content for new players first than a second ranking.

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05 Oct 2020 00:20 #47900 by malayerba
malayerba replied.
Hello
I have never talked about a second classification.
my suggestion (without having developed it) is that a player with 0 points
do not freely enter a game where the average of points is in X%
I mean, at a table with 10 players with points in general lines of 130/140% one cannot enter with 0 games played and 0 points ... let's not forget that it is a suggestion and I do not intend to set rules anywhere. the rules often set themselves. depends on need.
and I say this because of the program's inclination to favor a player with little to no ranking.
about learning in poker ... well you see there may be many manuals, techniques, strategies etc, but that when playing does not give you more than theory, it will always depend on the player in front of you, how he behaves, how much he rises and With what cards, how many players are at the table, is it important to reach the end of the game?
there are many factors that influence each decision, and there will always be a different outcome.
When I don't want to make a 10/9/8 in a game, but rather want to be in the top four or five, you can't want an all-in when there are ten players or with AA-KK-QQ etc, why? Well, because there is a software that reminds me of the times AA has given me and I have consequently lost the rules as you say, take them yourself if you have a goal. and within that play it is not the same to be the first to play than to be the last or the 6th.
It is not difficult to understand that if the 10 players bet everything in the first hand, 65/75% will carry high cards that are 16 of the deck, and since 2x10 are 20 it is logical that someone has low cards, and the most important thing is that the cards that have to go to the table will be medium / low, with which there is a good chance that 2-8 will win
Although in this case and with P TH, whoever wants the server or the code or whatever it is that gives joy to the games, joy for one or two, can win.
Discipline and patience are completely lost when a player loves you all that you throw at him, and you see that his cards are worth nothing until the river comes out and he gives him a straight flush or a poker. And then as they are many times because you end up not playing, or you become a bingo player, totally as it is free and we do not play each other because everything is fine. But of course if we look at it that way and with this software, what is the classification for? Well, it takes off y7 that each one plays in their own way, and the same thing many more players enter the server .... I do not believe the latter nor myself.
in this case the classification is an incentive to support the things that this program does

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